Curse

Tarkin · Mar 13, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

[skill]infuse health[/skill] must have in pvp... plague in pve...

ShadowsRequiem · Mar 13, 2008, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Tarkin

... Some time ago making missions in hard mode to get the title... i ask in ally channel... someone want to do abbadons in hard mode? i just ask to help someone else.. i can kill abaddon in hard mode alone with henchs and get masters... ok 3 allys say i want i want... what i get? 2 necros and 1 mesmers... well how we can kill abaddon with it? soul barbs...
i made 3 builds with only cheap hexes and we kill him very fast...

see what i talking about? in some case some useless skills have use to kill something... its not a regular build.. a popular build.. its just a build to use in a special event... and finish i never use this build again...

Its called SB spike or Soul Barbs Spike. It was meta a long time ago.

Phoenix Tears · Mar 13, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

many skills need really some serious buffs, because they are kinda totally useless either, or the skills have soem effects, wherefor exist like with similar effects 1-3 another skills, which are far more effective, due to higher damage output, better recharge time or lesser adrenaline/energy cost ect. ...

The dumb problem about all those skills is - anet could easily buff them for pve, but much of them would be surely overpowered for pvp.
The typical shit problem about the twin usage of skills, that the ksills have in pve the same effects as in pve and due to that balancing affects ever both modes -.-

And the game has too much skills imo, the game never needed all those "clone" skills for example with same efrects, but other names...

Wherefore do we have the Echo-Skills oO? -.-

Many Skills could be theoretically be erased and the effects put to other skills, by making out of some normal Skills Elite Skills...

Example:

[skill]Escape[/skill] + [skill]Lightning Reflexes[/skill] + [skill]Dodge[/skill]

Could be all merged to 1 Elite Skill:

Lightning Reflex Escape >10E, 20RL

For the next 5-10 seconds you move and attack 25% faster, your dodge rate for physical and projectile attacks will be 50-75%. This Stance will end, if you use an Attack Skill.
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[skill]Trapper's Focus[/skill] + [skill]Trapper's Speed[/skill]

Trapper's Arts > 5E, 2CT, 20RT

For the next 5-25 seconds can't you be interrupted while setting traps.
Your traps will also active 25% quicker and and reload also 25% quicker.
This Stance will end, if you run out of Energy or your HP goes below 50%
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[skill]Zojun's Haste[/skill] + [skill]Zojun's Shot[/skill]

2 Clone Skills that this game absolutely doesn't need!!
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[skill]Bestial Mauling[/skill] + [skill]Bestial Pounce[/skill]

Bestial Assault > 5E, 15RT [Elite]

The Pet Attack will deal +5-17 additional Damage, if this attack hits a spell casting Foe, the foe will be knocked down, if the foe was already knocked down, when this attack hits, then this attack deals additional +5-17 Damage and the foe will suffer for 5-10 seconds on Daze.
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[skill]Bestial Fury[/skill]

Again such a Clone Skill, the game absolutely doesn't need
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[skill]Rampage As One[/skill] + [skill]Run As One[/skill]

Skill 2 can be deleted really, no sense for this skill with ramapage and ramapage needs to get lowered Skill Cost of 15E, to become more vial to the PvE only Version, and raise the recharge from 10 to 15 or 20, so that this skill can#t be theoretically kept up permanenly...

or

[skill]Strike As One[/skill] + [skill]Run as One[/skill]

simple combien those 2 skills and give strike the effect of run too
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[skill]Call of Haste[/skill] + [skill]Predatory Bond[/skill]

Call of Predatory [Elite] > 10E, 25RT
For the next 30 seconds your pet will attack and move 25% and the attacks of your pet will heal it and you by 5-15 HP

ect. pp.

you can make hundreds of examples of good possible Skill Fusions to get rid of some totally useless skills and skill clones to receive some more useful really good Elite Skills

Tyla · Mar 13, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Pheonix, you understand "Evade" was removed from this game don't you...

Some skills are just designed badly, so they're either too good or absolute shit.
Much like some of the classes in general, Assassin for one.
Paragon & Ritualist, unremovable buffs?
Dervs, immunity to conditions?

MisterB · Mar 13, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10247440
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10008331

We have those two. Do we need another one?

[skill]Swirling Aura[/skill] is trash.

Racthoh · Mar 13, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

Also, [skill]"The Power is Yours!"[/skill] is... just terrible. A BiP/BR Necro can run part Blood Spike part battery and walk all over a TPiY? Paragon in any setting.

Except the BiP guy has to spec heavily into Blood Magic, a very weak skill line. TPIY is pretty amazing in elite missions.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Mar 13, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

roffle the power is yours useful now thats funny

Two April Mornings · Mar 13, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Ursan Blessing, in the sense of uselessness, not the OP.

Btw, Peace and Harmony is amazing on heroes set to avoid combat.

Phoenix Tears · Mar 13, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Pheonix, you understand "Evade" was removed from this game don't you...

Some skills are just designed badly, so they're either too good or absolute shit.
Much like some of the classes in general, Assassin for one.
Paragon & Ritualist, unremovable buffs?
Dervs, immunity to conditions?

yeah i know, meant naturally block rate ... a typo

mrmango · Mar 13, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Except the BiP guy has to spec heavily into Blood Magic, a very weak skill line. TPIY is pretty amazing in elite missions.

It gives 10 or less energy, for 10 energy. then you get about 0 energy unless you spam some adrenaline shouts. Quite crappy, a buff would help it.

Agent Mold3r · Mar 14, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

hmm i took a break from GW during the EOE bomb craze, can someone tell me the original function of the skill?

Sir Seifus Halbred · Mar 14, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by prism2525

[skill]lava arrows[/skill] anyone?
[skill]mirror of ice[/skill] never actually saw anyone LOOK at it.
[skill]ride the lightning[/skill] it's crappy

Also I don't know why you guys hate Iron mist so much. Used properly it can really screw a lone warrior or melee toon.

I agree that lava arrows is not so great, but i disagree with you ride the lightning.

Ride the lightning is used a lot in PvP (RA, AB) and is good for a E/A Spike build.

With Mirror of ice i have seen being used in PvP as well. (RA, TA) I don't think it's great but it isn't horrible..

Age · Mar 14, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by Firefly21

Warrior
Axe Mastery
[skill]Penetrating Blow[/skill] & [skill]Penetrating Chop[/skill] (Both really the same skill, and there are better damage attacks out there.)
[skill]Whirling Axe[/skill] (Never seen anyone use…)
Hammer Mastery
[skill]Enraged Smash[/skill] (Never seen anyone use… Kind of sucks...)
[skill]Overbearing Smash[/skill] (Never seen anyone use… I think it cost too much adrenaline)
[skill]Staggering Blow[/skill] (Another Hammer attack that gives weakness… also it cost six adrenaline….)
Strength
"I Meant to Do That!" (Never seen anyone use it)
[skill]"You Will Die!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it)
[skill]Battle Rage[/skill] (I think it just sucks)
[skill]Charging Strike[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Flail[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Headbutt[/skill] (What kind of shitty elite is this! I wouldn’t use it even if it wasn’t an elite!)
[skill]Rage of the Ntouka[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
Swordsmanship
[skill]Quivering Blade[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it)
Tactics
[skill]"Retreat!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Auspicious Parry[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Deflect Arrows[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Disciplined Stance[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]"On Your Knees!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]"You're All Alone!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Frenzied Defense[/skill] (Everyone seem to just use Frenzy)
[skill]Skull Crack[/skill] (Never used, I think it cost too much adrenaline)
Allegiance Rank
"Save Yourselves!" (Cost too much adrenaline and doesn't last very long)

This is all just for the warrior I didn’t feel like making a list for the other classes…

I wouldn't say that all these skills are useless on a Warrior as for others well there quite a few.

bj91x · Mar 14, 2008, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by DDL

[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]?

What are you talking about? This skill is awesome. Learn how to use it better.

For all you noobs who don't know how to use this skill, I'll teach you all how to properly use this.

Go to some random pvp place.
Spot an AFKer.
Cast it on them and 5 seconds later...
BAM!!!111one
Punish those AFKers!

OK, OK, I know it's lame. I'm bored at work so I just had to post something stupid to entertain myself (and hopefully, somebody found this funny).

As for [skill]Healer's Covenant[/skill], it actually has its use. Its healing doesn't affect enchants so Patient Spirit, Vigorous Spirit, etc. are just as effective but cost less energy. Granted, these are not the greatest healing skills in the game, but good for some passive healing. Also, heroes benefit well from HC. Since heroes spam the crap out of healing spells on allies who barely lost 30 HP, stick HC on along with 5e healing spells and hero's can maintain energy pretty well. I wouldn't recommend these as your regular healing builds, but they do have some use.

Res Ipsi · Mar 14, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

The most useless skill I've seen in GW is "Gloat" (used by the Charr). It's used elsewhere as well, but requires no actual skill.

Rexion · Mar 14, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

[skill]Choose Class: Assassin[/skill]

pretty useless.

flclisgreat · Mar 14, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Res Ipsi

The most useless skill I've seen in GW is "Gloat" (used by the Charr). It's used elsewhere as well, but requires no actual skill.

haha i just ran that mish for someone today and was like "WTF did that CHARR just f*ckin /rank me?!!"

RavagerOfDreams · Mar 14, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

[card]Peace and Harmony[/card] or [card]Wastrel's Collapse[/card]

pls anet lets make wastrel's useful

afya · Mar 14, 2008, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firefly21

Warrior
Axe Mastery
[skill]Penetrating Blow[/skill] & [skill]Penetrating Chop[/skill] (Both really the same skill, and there are better damage attacks out there.)
[skill]Whirling Axe[/skill] (Never seen anyone use…)
Hammer Mastery
[skill]Enraged Smash[/skill] (Never seen anyone use… Kind of sucks...)
[skill]Overbearing Smash[/skill] (Never seen anyone use… I think it cost too much adrenaline)
[skill]Staggering Blow[/skill] (Another Hammer attack that gives weakness… also it cost six adrenaline….)
Strength
"I Meant to Do That!" (Never seen anyone use it)
[skill]"You Will Die!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it)
[skill]Battle Rage[/skill] (I think it just sucks)
[skill]Charging Strike[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Flail[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
[skill]Headbutt[/skill] (What kind of shitty elite is this! I wouldn’t use it even if it wasn’t an elite!)
[skill]Rage of the Ntouka[/skill] (Never seen anyone use)
Swordsmanship
[skill]Quivering Blade[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it)
Tactics
[skill]"Retreat!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Auspicious Parry[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Deflect Arrows[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Disciplined Stance[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]"On Your Knees!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]"You're All Alone!"[/skill] (Never seen anyone use it…)
[skill]Frenzied Defense[/skill] (Everyone seem to just use Frenzy)
[skill]Skull Crack[/skill] (Never used, I think it cost too much adrenaline)
Allegiance Rank
"Save Yourselves!" (Cost too much adrenaline and doesn't last very long)

This is all just for the warrior I didn’t feel like making a list for the other classes…

I rarely use warrior but...
[skill]Charging Strike[/skill]PVE runner sometimes use it.
[skill]Flail[/skill]
[skill]Headbutt[/skill][skill]Plague Touch[/skill]
[skill]"Retreat!"[/skill]IWAY charger
[skill]Auspicious Parry[/skill]always see that
[skill]Disciplined Stance[/skill]you probably don't play deep
[skill]"You're All Alone!"[/skill]you probably don't play AB
[skill]Frenzied Defense[/skill]you probably don't play RA

I didn't point out all of those but.....many of the skills you mentioned is useful. Even if it's kinda unless, you should have seen ppl using those. I guess you don't play GW much!?

RedNova88 · Mar 14, 2008, 02:50 AM // 02:50

My vote is for Symbolic Strike. It seems like it was just kind of tossed into the game without much thought.